2+ to less -1 is a good way, btw i've only sold one rifle because of its performance, with reloads and a little work i have been able to make all but one rifle i've ever owned shoot, the one was taken to a smith and he was scrachin his head when i left and he said "no charge" because he couldn't get it to shoot either, and its a high dollar brand and i had wanted one for a long time, what a disapoinment[&o], but i do agree that for the money if it would make a 2+ into a -1moa shooter, i would not care how funny it looked