Look at the Benelli Nova. It's innovative unlike the remington. I did get an 870 though because the Nova is made for taller people like Tom Knapp and I'm not a 3 1/2 inch fan. Remington is still using 1950's technology. Okay, will compare apples to apples. I rather take the M2 or Super Black Eagle 2 than an 11-87. It just an 1100 jacked up in price because it can take 3 inch loads. Plus remington jacks up the price of their guns when you get a smaller barrel for some reason. They call them special purpose guns. They also only have 26 and 28 inch barrels if you buy a regular 870. I don't know why people like the bigger barrels on the 12 gauge when speed increases barely after 24 inches.