As long as we are talking carrying capacity of the land.Here in Crawford county the P.A.G.C. says land is 50% forested & 50 % open ,so by using there numbers & goals of 12d.p.f.s.m. we should execpt 1 deer for every 106.6 acers.So if you are on stand and you see that big doe and her two fawns you better try to kill her cause chances are slim to none that you will be seeing anything else in that area.If it takes 100 plus acers to grow one 150 lb deer beef farmers are in trouble.These goals are to low.The only thing that has come from Dr.Alts plan is infighting amongst the very people he needed to support his plan.Stop passing the blame and start planning on how to get your hunting areas to where they should be.Buy the land and post if you think deer numbers are down.Or open it up to all doe slayers you know if you think a good doe is a dead doe.But don't go out and bitch about how someone who has a differant hunting style than you spends thier hunting time or money.[:'(]