I sure appreciate the advise I'm looking forward to that Instructor. I'm really getting fired up for spring and scouting. The elk are hanging out on the outskirts of town now about 100 head on the south facing slope about a mile from my house. Rich Baker has a great point. Where I'm going to hunt early is very thick stuff. It's like hunting the olympics in Washington. I hunted there with rifle. In the panhandle it is very wet and thick brush. Gotta go for now I really appreciate all of the input you all have keep it coming.