Well, HuntingBry, I was hoping to get a rise out of TFOX and BobCo before I admitted it, but after shooting these Easton Epics for the past couple of weeks, getting tuned in and getting used to them, I'm shooting better than I did with the aluminums. I am dropping down from heavyweight arrows to what I consider high middleweight (cruiserweight maybe?), 470 grains for just under 8 grains per pound of draw weight.