Slamfire you are 100% correct about the pantyhose I am not much of a horseman, being rather new to it, but my inlaws are. A few years ago we all went on a day ride scouting for elk in the summer. I wore some very loose jeans, man oh man I'll never make that mistake again. I promised myself from that day on that I will have hunting clothes and riding clothes with me on all hunts/scouting trips with horses. 300whinnie if you are reading this,,,, just stop laughing because you'll blow a snot on the monitor if you don't. I am sure you remember, how much pain I was in, like you would want to forget anyway. [8D]