lol you guys probably think i am lying but if there is anyone here that knows were clinton iowa is and have heard of Valley Oaks golf course they will tell you just about the deer out there. There is a member named kill_it_and_grill_it that will tell you he has asked me several times to take him hunting but the land owner wont let me take anyone not even my dad. I basically hunt the timber next to the golf course and there is way to meny deer because noone lets anyone hunt around here. The only reason i got the spot is because i begged my neighbor for about a year and i think he got sick of me asking and finally said yes.