I brought this question up last year.......those shells ruled, for my shotgun.....Someone told me that they went outta business.......don't know why......I know a guy that caught wind they were going outta business, while they were still on the shelves.....and bought a ton of them(well not a ton, but ALOT).....I tried to get a couple of boxes off of him.....I woulda got about the same response from him if I'da asked for an evening with his wife.