I dont like federal or winnchester is steel....I use the Remintons when I know I'm gonna get wet ,but I prefer estates over any if I can keep them dry...They're not real waterproof....The estates seem to travel farther and hit harder than the other three for me...I was walking from a slough in the river bottoms and walked up on a 400 pound hog...I killed that piglet with #2 estates.........RKC