Guy's I just bought the Viper X4 yesterday at BassPro in Toronto for 344.00cdn,maybe this price is high I don't know,but as far as I'm concerned from what I hear on this thread about this stand it's going to be well worth every penny I paid for it . I have a Warren +Sweat climber now and it absolutely suck's ,for 1 it's too small for 2 I don't feel safe or comfortable and 3 there's absolutely no room to move in it .So the ?Viper sound's as though it's going to be a very pleasurable experience.Although it doesn't pack down flat ,I'm sure I'll be able to live with it .But the main construction of this stand appear's to be rock solid .I'm sure after reading all of your post's that I'm really going to enjoy next season's hunting .

nubo