ok dd then how do you know anything about the genetics of the deer in your area if you are killing 85% of the juvenile animals? you dont. and also you have to have good genes in your does which like the study states consists of 50% of the genetic makeup for the offspring. and since pa hunters are not allowing the bucks to mature you wont see this. the management people in your state know what bthey are doing cause their studies are based on mature animals not your 1.5 year old trophy. the simple genetic code for whitetails comes from equal animals. you need good genes in the doe and good genes in the buck to produce a genetically superior offspring. and since you cant tell what does have good genetics then you have to look at your bucks in your area but if your shooting juveniles then you will never see the genetically dominant buck. and also rack size doesnt always mean it is genetically dominant for example take your piebald deer or albino deer. there has been big albino and piebald bucks killed but they are far from genetically dominant the gene that cause these traits is recessive. if an albino breeds with a normal and that normal does not carry the albino gene then guess what? no albino. but the offsprin will be heterozygous animals. meaning they now carry the gene but dont display the visual appearance. now if that hetero offspring breads back to the albino then you will produce albino. therefore those genes are not at all dominant. if it was a dominant gene then an albino or piedball bred to a normal would produce albino or piedball. but we have all seen pictures of big albino and piedball bucks killed. so explain from a genetic standpoint of rack size. the most important thing needed for rack growth is nutrition. now of course genetics are needed but nutrition is the deciding factor whether the animal is going to have a big rack or not. and since genetics only play a small part of rack growth thats the only way we can visually make a guess to which bucks are dominant. so with that being said dont you think its smarter to let the bucks mature to see their best potential. otherwise if your not then all this genetic and rack size talk shouldnt matter and this post shouldnt carry on back and fourth like it is. im just giving you info from my personal experiences from the deer i manage and watch and hunt from my land and yes 2k acres is small scale but the things im seeing and doing would apply over large scale as well if the same things were done. im not putting out attractants or rack builders or food plots or none of that crap. the deer are there eating whats there and living like they have for years and all im doing is managing the herd and the results are awesome. but too many people want to shoot a small buck over a doe and argue about shooting button bucks and spikes and thats fine but thats why you wont be seeing good mature animals regurally.