You know that reminds me of something. The first day of archery here in MD, my buddy shot too far at this 4 pt and it hit a little branch and nailed him in the arse. Where the tail it. Don't know how he managed to hit it. Anyway we were both hunting pretty close and I saw it hit. It parallized that deer's back hind leg. So all it could do is throw itself up with one back leg and pull itself. It came by me a few min later. And I put a arrow thru its lungs at 30. But I have yet to see such a ugly shot that was so effective.