Ok Next!! The large persimmon picture(BTW way thank you all I'm learning extremely fast....) is what we have in the garden for mom. The small orange ones(you did have a picture of that right- about golf ball size) were "wild" But then in what we call the TX hill country they wild ones are mostly bushes with slick bark and the persimmons start a bit smaller than a golf ball mostly and are green and then turn dark purple as they ripen. Do I have a conflict of names again??? I know the deer go a long way as do hogs to find these dark persimmons.

Jeff