Yeah, I was at Bigcountry's house yesterday and we were using his Stoney point OAL guage. My observation (since ive never seen one used before) is that it can give two different people two different results, depending on how hard/far you push the bullet onto the lands, AND how still you hold the device while you tighten the thumb knob on the back. I measured both ways (using the bullet in the casing and closing the bolt and the stoney point) and I got numbers that were kinda close 3.23 with the guage and 3.19 the old way. So i guess my best bet would be to use the stoney point over and over again and try to get a routine down that I can repeat the same way everytime. Then do 3 and take an average.?!?[&:][&:]