the end result of all this is for stronger numbers of deer right? ok well the bottom line for that is simple you need mature animals to breed to reproduce and replenish your population in pa so where does it make sence to take out the immature animals for your personal gain? i mean unless its that bad where you dont have any other means of food. think about it. breedable animals is the key to population increases. but go ahead and smack down the bucks that have only had the chance to breed one year or not at all and see where that gets you. instant gratification will do nothing for longevity. this reply is for wingbar