they kill deer great just not a very good close range bullet..... they tend to explode at ranges 75 yards or closer and wreck alot of meat. Every deer I have taken beyond 100 yards with them the bullets do there job and leave a nice exit hole but at close ranges the bullets fragment I recovered little bits of copper and small parts lead of one from a 60 yard shot on a doe destroyed alot of meat when I processed it I should have gotten 50 lbs of meat off her but only got 30 lbs just to give you an idea of howmuch meat was no good.