do not mean to imply anything infact I edited my earlier post as not to stir the pot with anyone I am extremly proud of my dogs and have seen a lot of negative threads on pointing labs and it makes me a little defensive, everyone has their favorite dog and you will never change their minds unless you can prove that your breed performs in the field. with pointing labs being relativly new, atleast the breeding of them, people tend to critisize, all though I think the tide is starting to turn. the facts are and this applies to all breeds with good training they do perform well and are fun to watch.