i know what you mean,my lease that im on has some awesome bucks,there was a 9 point that had a 29 inch spread taken last year,would have made p&y if it had just 3 more inches needed some mass,we have alot of nice bucks but unfortunatly me and 2 others seem to be the only voices of reason we plant food,and put in the effort unfortunatly we have 26 others who dont so our efforts sometimes i fell are fruitless,we come up with a management plan no one follows it,seen alot of would be nice bucks shot last year,most only a year and a half old its a shame,everyone bitching about does but no one shoots em AND WE ARE ON LAMPS!!!! so go figure i think our biggest problem is we have a club that cant keep members to many flybynighters out of houston who go buy a rifle one season and bam their a deer hunter,read a magazine and they know everything,and the few of us that are sucessful dont know crap so go figure that one.so if any one knows were to get on a lease for reasonable thats interested in good quality mangement let me know,i will be looking next year this is my last where im at unless things change, i bowhunt only so every deer i kill is a trophy,but its still nice to see a big healthy buck,and to know you did something with a little effort to help good ol mother nature out. sorry guys had to vent a little..