i have to agree with ulysses, and i have never hunted in pa. i live in vt, and know many, many people that used to go to pa and hunt, because it was THE place to hunt, THE place to get a nice rack. and few of them would come home empty handed, EVER. no one goes there now, i haven't heard of only one person that i know traveling to pa to go hunting, and that is only because his folks live there, so he hunts when he goes to their house for thanksgiving. so what does that tell you? it tells me that the pgc's plan sucked pond water.