I agree with you Jack, but I personaly think it has gone to far. To the point were there isn't much differance between moder firarms and what is suppose to be primitive arms. Just trying to get a feel for the general hunting community. We all have choices on the arm we use and I am not knocking a guy for useing a in-line with a scope. Im just saying isnt the whole point to be primitive???? IE no scope ??? no 200 yard shots?? or has the whole hunting /adveritivsing/ hunting show public just gaga over tec. tools