weve never had an accident or close call or anything of that nature......orange looks a little diffrent then a brown deer.....and we can hear the drivers coming from a good ways away.....kinda hard to mistake 4-10 guys marching in a line for a deer.....we dont whipe out areas either.....its not that easy.....even with the man power we have some days....we still cant get deer to get in range of the shooters every time....its still a hard hunt....frustrating too.....hearing how 10 deer doubled back and snuck out on us......or how there was a big racker buck headed the right direction and simply dissappeard.....deer are smart.....and we dont screw too many hunts...most of the hunts we do screw the hunters should be on the land anyway......the drive leader is my buddys uncle....a big time farmer...thats his living.....he farms tons of peoples land....knows all the land owners....they know how he hunts....and part of their agreement is for him to be allowed to hunt....helps out his crops too....he makes his living from his milk cows...they gota eat the corn and have the hay and everything.....too many deer will ruin a corn field in a hurry.....and leave him without enough corn for the year.....most of the land is posted to everyone except us...because the farmer has permission for us to do what we do....we dont go around to random places or public land and just march through.....and these arent little tracks of land....if they were it would be alot easier then it is.......someone sees a deer every day we hunt.....but its not always the shooters....and most of the time the deer dont make it to the shooters.....its not a deer massacre where we line up yards away from eachother and have shooters on the other end so its impossible for a deer to get away......they get away every single hunt.....part of hunting......and the unethical part....i just dont see it....sure if you were on stand youd probably never see the deer we take....but thats because they are smart....and the land is hard to access because of roads and houses and lack of permission....and alot of time deer just simply dont move here in the daylight much at all because the pressure is on them from bow season until middle of january.....they learn....i sit on stand till 10 or 11am most days we hunt in these spots...in great spots that deer have torn to shreds....but i have yet to see one from sitting there waiting.....they are just too smart to get up and walk down that path in the daylight....but when we drive it magically there are deer......right where i was sitting.....to each his own....im not here to start a fight....just wanted to hear some opinions....keep it clean and dont get all mad and we can keep this going and talk about it......i see your guys's points....but i have my own.....and the way we do it isnt all that bad......happy new year guys.....im getting my gear ready to go DRIVE deer tomarow.....cant wait......its going to be a fun day....nice weather too.....