RE: 45-70 or 450 marlin?
They used to say Ruger loads ,but now they backed it off to Marlin loads.
I have a H&R 45/70 and I loaded 20 rnd of Ruger loads for it to try . I shot 3 and pulled the others down. Man did it kick , if I can't kill it with Marlin loads I don't need to hunt it.