I agree with Speyrjb....i have shot the remington 11-87 for deer for 5 years--3" 00 buck and never once have i felt the kick whiel shooting at a deer...at the range patterning the gun its different but i always felt the rifle was a much sharper kick...i recently swithced to a wicnhester supreme over/ under 12 ga. and the kick is felt more than the semi because the escaping gas has no where to go where in a semi its pushing the action...