Sorry i couldn't resist that comment, just a dig on all them elmer fudds out there slinging slugs around that only spend time in the woods when they can carry a gun on weekends that never go out in the woods that live in NYC or trenton that keep a "hunting cabin" locked up for 11.5 monthes of the year and never visit it if it aint huntin season. "hunters"

mmmmm K, that's why i quit hunting, damn elmer fudds. I'm not gonna risk my life for some idiot. The day you have slugs ripping through branches within feet of you .....well you can make whatever choices you want when that happens.

I thought the best part of that whole article was this...............

They concluded that the New York coyote, unlike the Western coyote, carried some genes of the Eastern Canadian wolf, that the Eastern coyote was a wolf-coyote HYBRID.

Since then, a similar DNA study was done of 108 coyotes captured in Maine. It found three categories of coyotes. The first and largest group contained a mix of genes common to Western coyotes and the wolves of eastern Canada. A small second group had a genetic make-up similar to that of Western coyotes. And a small third group had a genetic makeup more in common with Eastern Canadian wolves.


.........So what are the ones, granted the smallest group of what was tested, to be called as they would be closest related to a wolf but have yote genes in them?????

Back to the cougars........

The cougar network radio collared a young male cougar from the black hills of south dakota lat last winter/early spring. Well since collared it has traveled over 450 miles from there and is now located in minnisota as of dec 23rd.

Dec 3rd or 4th a 90 pound male cougar was found dead in illinois that had been hit/shot with a bow, that's an easy 9 month jaunt to NY.

Granted those are just in midwest and still a ways from NY but that collared young male had no problem covering 450 miles in 9 monthes and continuing his way eastward. How far might one "stroll" throughout their lifespan. NY aint but another 9 10 monthes away if he keeps going the way he's going.

They have thoroughly spread from the western states into the plains states and have light breeding populations throughout the the mid plains states, FACT. Scientists speculate that they will have thoroughly reintroduced themselves "natuarally" from western populations up to the missippi river within 10 years and are close to that now however light a population they have, FACT. Many biologists that are studying the sceintific facts of it state they will reintroduce themselves "naturally" into the rest of the eastern states within 10 years after that being the habitat is so perfect for them and they are naturally going to spread in search of good habitat and food of which we got plenty. If they are not here yet....... the WILL be within 10 years naturally FACT. Believe it or not, look up the scientific facts or not, ignorance or scientific facts ......you choose.

It is speculated that western cougar populations are currently over 55,000 throughout it's natural known range out west. And it's thought that current cougar populations out west are higher than when columbus discovered the americas.

I just don't understand why people can't accept that there is a slim chance that there MAY be a small handfull of cougars roaming the greater interiors of NY and PA right now.

So why is it so hard to accept that there might be a handfull around and that if i see it in my backyard on tuesday that it aint in PA. by friday, border is only about 30 miles from the house? I didn't know that animals know where state borders are and they don't have permission to cross them and how do they obtain border crossing permits? [:-]

And out of all them so called hunters, how many of them actually get off their a$$ and spend any time in the woods if it aint hunting season. I bet that is a very very high percentage and way over 65%. Hell how many city hunters buy camps and keep them locked up and never visit them until it's time to bust out the guns. We don't ever hear about them hunter .....nooooooo never. they are wives tales and as ellusive as cougars. all hunters are actually hunters and not just gun weilding outdoor knuckleheads from the city.

If they don't see it during hunting season when all the animals are spooked due to high volumes of Fudd's tromping around in the woods smoking, hammering, crashing through thicket, and pushing things around that doen't want to be seen...... well they must not be there then. After all they only spent 6 weekends in the woods.......12 days at best out of 365.

Boy that holds some scentific validity.


I'll see if I can't post my picture of a cougar that's on par with this thread, I'll admit it is a good laugh guys. I got myself probably the one and only last living saber tooth maine coon cougars left on the planet. Found the remnants of his kill in the kitchen just the other day. Nothing left but a mouse tail and a blood mess where he dined. I walked into the kitchen and seen him cleaning his face and licking his chops circling the tail like a trophy. He's a big one...... must be a 20 pounder and them sabers make short order of them house hold feild mices.

Hope everyone had a good safe holiday, rookie night yet to come. Have a good new years....... stay aware play with care.