Thanks for the best wishes, and everyone has a different opinion, the reality is there is no way I could have loosened the knobs that much by climbing. So maybe I have a problematic stand or something is different about the setup. I also strongly disagree this stand has much more torque IMO, look at any other folding stand, and there are not that many Summit is the only other one I know of that folds flat , none that I have looked at have the support bar that stops in the center. There are many fixed stands that the support stops midway but that is moot when they are welded ,a fixed climbing stand that does not collapse is much different than having stand that is held open by knobs that are tightened by hand. Thanks again for your feedback, though I still disagree and hope you continue to have good luck with the stand. My opinion remains it is a deathtrap.

PS:not sure why anyone would want to pull their guts opening the cams when gettting in out of a stand , to each his own You can not honestly say they open even remotely easily...can you?