I consider myself somewhat of a liberal (not full blown though, have aspects of both cons & lib in my beliefs). Anyway, even with my liberal ideas on some topics, I think Vang is guilty as hell and needs to be punished harshly (death isn't a bad idea - but it would be nice to have a limit on death row, say 5 years and then get it over with - that's why the costs are so high, etc, etc - but that is a whole other discussion). Self defense could be credible if he had shot the one with the gun - that is it. Another aspect is the ability to flee. If he could have safely run, there is no self defense case. He has a right to a trail and I would be astounded if he gets anything other than a guilty verdict on all counts.