I mentioned in a previous post on this out of the box gun. I bought a savage 12bvss 223 varmit class gun yes it is heavy but thats varvmit rifles. I have shot 25 .5" and below 5 shot groups at 100 yds. quite a few wer .375 ". Gun is 10 lbs stanless steel and quality is really very comparable to the remignton. It has accu trigger and a 32X bushnell 4200 elite scope. Gun does not like to shoot groups bigger than 1". Accu trigger is great set at 1.5 LBS. can not be jarred to go off. And by the way this model is really not so ugly at all although the new version has a little better styled stock. I am going to attempt to down load a digital piture of .312" group. Finally got a picture in had to retake it on a lower resolution this forum only takes up to 100 k but its sure easy to do. Savage is a great gun this is out of the box.