Ulysses, I do hunt in other areas where the population has gone down. Our family camp is in Potter county and all I hear is whining from them that there isn't any deer left. Only 10 years ago I saw a herd of 30 deer come past my stand. There wasn't one single buck in the group. Everyone saw 20+ deer everyday, but rarely was a buck ever taken and if one was shot it wasn't worth bragging about. These last couple of years we have only seen 3 or 4 deer a day but atleast one of them is a decent buck(for Potter county) I also hunt in Armstrong county which is still over run by deer but the population has definately been reduced. As for Allegheny county we always will have too many deer. They all run to the housing developments when the orange army hits the woods. All I can do is hope and believe Alt knows what he is doing. I don't have the credentials that he does and I don't think anyone here does either. I don't want to stop now and turn around to the same way it used to be where guys would shoot the first spike that walked in front of them. Let the system run its course and let Alt make adjustments as he sees fit, I don't think we'll be dissapointed in the end.