Thanks PA TrophyMan!!!! I found a site that sells them and they claim that they are as good or almost as good as Leupold. Is that even close or way off? By the way, my plant manager went to PA a couple of weekends ago and killed a 8 point that had a green score of 180!!!! It had an inside spread of 29*3/4". I saw the actual rack. It was huge!!!!! His brother also killed a 18 point non-typical that green scored 170 before deductions. I only saw a pic. of that rack. Thanks, Scott Woody