The WalMarts around my house and where we hunt do not carry '08s. That's why I stick with loads that can be found at any gas station or sporting goods store like .243, .30/30, .270, or 30/06. .270 has been a very good round for me for the past 30 years. The new stuff is interesting but the .270 has never left me wishing that I had more power or a larger bullet. Whitetails, mulies, Hogs, javelina, turkey, bobcats and mexican lions have all falllen to the Powerpoint and Corelokt 130 gr. and 150 gr. factory loads.