I have been learning to do calls with a Primos single and double reed. I have worked extremely hard on getting my cow calls down but it seems that I have kinda left out the Bugle. My buddy, who has 20 years experiance says I have the cow down pat. He says my bugle is ok. If I understand it right many say you don't wanna sound like the biggest bull anyway, Is this true? If ElkNut1 is reading this I'm really interested in your dvd or Cd's. I want to see it but I think if there is no differant in the subject I will probally buy the cd for cost purposes. So if anyone has any Idea's for learning the bugle better I am all Ears.