thanx guys......ill be at the range sometime after rifle season......roundballs it is.....i can shoot them VERY accurately without ever cleaning.....i cant believe some groups ive shot with them....clover leafs....the groundhog was 45yds give or take a few...it was paces...but my paces are REALLY close..i measured my pwn pace before just to see.......i aimed for the lungs like a deer shot and thats right where the shot hit.....im confidant.....and if saturday doesnt pan out any better then the last 2 rifle hunts ill be hunting flintlock hard....looking for that first deer with the flinter.....cant wait....thanx alot guys....