BM... You certainly have a right to an opinion and some of what you say makes sense, but if hunters in Pennsylvania expect to see more deer than they are now it is their right too. Afterall Hunters are paying the bills at the PGC. Maybe it is time for Alt and his crew to make another statewide tour and talk with the hunters again about their concerns. Many on this board who have said that Pa has many different types of terrain and each holds deer differently. If your hunting in an agricultural area its obvious that the deer are going to be larger, but if your hunting in National Forests the needs of deer are different. This is what needs to be discussed. The state needs to examine how to remove some of the old large trees in some areas to allow sunlight to get in and let plants grow better.I'm not talking about clear-cutting just carefully managed select removal. Trees are a renewable resource.I've seen large numbers of deer in areas that have been logged a year or so before. Of course the tree huggers won't like that idea, but they don't pay the bills. And neither do the insurance companies. We pay them premiums to fix our cars if we hit a deer. They also are influencing some of these rule changes and we as hunters have every right to bitch about it. If the insurance companies and tree huggers want a say in Pennsylvanias deer population then let them start sending some money to buy land and or help the real conservationists us HUNTERS do real consevation. I'm sick of these so-called conservation groups whining about everthing and not doing a damn thing for conservation.