gselkhunter---Yes I agree as experienced elk hunters we no doubt take many of the things we do automaticly, for granted. It doesn't mean we don't think about them, it's we have certain things ingrained that we know can't be ignored, like the wind, not calling in open meadows, not talking out loud, carrying essentials in our daypacks and prepared to spend the night if need be. Of course there's much more, heck I had to think for a second to remember these! <grin> --- I have noticed in even new elk hunters though that they aren't totally helpless. Many have been hunting other game animals for years and have decided to take the challenge of elk hunting up. Unfortunately for them there's a little more involved when you decide to do it with a bow.

In Justhuntitalls case he's been hunting elk for years now and has been successful. It's just that he'd like the challenge to call some into bowrange. Yes, it's important for him to be extra careful of the wind, and I mean at all times, scent lok or eliminator sprays just don't cut it. My suggestion to him would to be to avoid such products in thinking it will get him closer to elk. (it is his thread) In my findings those that rely on the wind only are also considerate of all aspects of bowhunting elk. They're just more careful and totally aware of their surroundings. They don't throw caution to the wind and feel a little wind at their back is ok, while those with such products think they're invisible!! I feel ones use these things as a crutch and hope, just maybe they can get away with a little bad wind and the elk won't notice.

Products such as sprays or lotions or clothing are hyped up too much, it's all in advertising. You do not need them to hunt elk! We have elk in our face regularly and probably take more elk than most. We do not use anything special, and yes I wash with regular soaps and shampoos on the very days I hunt. <grin> You must keep the wind in your face, I'm very adamant with that and pass it on to others.--I realize the wind can swirl on you and can mess things up, but we don't force it, we wait for it to change or back out so as not to spook anything. Sad to say, many of those who wear such eliminator products seem to want to push the envelope. They chase more critters off than they'll ever realize or admit to. ---I'd just like to say that I really enjoy your sound thoughts and comments!! ElkNut1