Elknut1, One of the worst things that happen, is when the bull isn't sure he is bad enough to fight and trys to sneak in from behind. I lose a few to scent every year. Or the cows come in fast with the bull on their heels and they wind me. Even with all the scent cover up stuff I use, human scent is still an issue. So it something the new hunters need to understand. You can do the perfect calling for that situation and still lose. And when I resort to a buzz it is the last resort because the bull is nervous and is going to leave me anyway. See when I called in all the bulls for my Step-son opening day this year the bigger I sounded the more action we got. A unique situation of course, but I had the tools in the bag and knew what to do with them. And that is the point to make to new hunters, don't be afraid to use everything if what you are doing isn't working. You aren't going to call in every bull you meet up with. But I am sure going to have fun trying. And the bright side to failing is I get to stay out hunting a little longer, always a plus. Cause when I kill an elk the wife thinks I should stay home[:@].
Gselkhunter