Talk IS cheap. to many people think that they can say whatever they want, and have no reprecusions, look at all the pro athletes yap,yap,yaping all the time. bottom line if you dont have anything nice to say keep your trap shut. if your going off on someone and are stupid enough to wave a gun in any manner you deserve to be dead, threatening someone w/ a gun IS A FELONY. If someone is committing a felony against you, you have the right to self defense. you or I haveing grown up in the shelter of the good ol USA cant imagine what's going on inside that guys head once he was shot at. The only point I wanted to make was that when you act like an a$$ you can pay a heavy price and shouldn't get much sympathy. If you read vangs version he was shot at first, if thats true one jerk on the other side got himself and his buddies killed. Once shots are fired all bets are off, you cant even know what you would do in that situation, ask a policeman whos been shot at.