They have there place. I think they are good for training young shooters also they are fine for those who can place thier shots well. I have loaded reduced loads for many years. That was one of the main reasons I got into reloading. Not to try to hop up loads but to match certain bullet to certain game. The low recoil loads for the 30-06 are in the 30-30 range. What has the 30-30 not killed? For shots to 150 yards they perform well. For long range they would not be the way to go.