I use the Federal Barnes EXpander 12ga. 2-3/4in. 3/4 oz in a Remington 870. Only have good things to say about them Overall peformance accuracy,flight, expansion, and penetration (deer) above normal. On the down side Federal needs to lower the $$$$$. Dead is Dead at $2.00 a slug or $0.75 other brand name. Do the deer feel a difference my wallet can feel it. Regards steve d