i agree with you bartz. my dad started taking me hunting when i was 8. ever since then, ive been hooked. however, when my dad gets a chance at a big buck it is more exciting for me. my mom said he would have given up hunting if it wasn't for me draging him out to the woods. in fact i put up his stand for him (a 25 pound lounger) right in the heart of cwd zone and he got a shot last weeked at the biggest buck that anyone in our hunting party has seen in a long time. i have been chasing the stud all year with the bow but i think it would have been awesome if he got it. did i mention that the buck is a perfect 10 18-19 wide with 10 inch tines.