NY Outdoors I have read many of your posts and mostly agree with your thinking. I especially agree with your initial post in this thread. I advise, however, that you cannot convince the "religious" with logic. People who have been agendized are like zealots and reject anything that threatens the status quo of their beliefs. You are trying to help them be aware. They would rather risk disfigurement, dismemberment or death {the 3 D's} , one must assume.