I just did a little math on the subject "You get what you pay for" A box of Winchester 35's carry a ticket of $16.95 in these parts. A box of Remington Core Lokt goes for $15.99. That makes it (rounded up) .90 per shot on the Winny's and .80 per shot on the Remmies. BUT! when you take out the 3 rounds I had in ONE box that did not go boom the Remmies suddenly jump up to .94 per shot and a ton of aggrevation. I think that what irks me the most was the response or absolute lack there of from the folks at Remington. Left me with the impression of "Tough $&*T, Chew Harder. So there it is, you get what you pay for.................but I at least expect to be kissed after I get, well you know what I mean.