Speaking of organized deerdogva I wanted to clue you in on the foxhunters I refered to. They are an organized hunt that hunt fox on horseback. They run foxhounds and any dogs that chase deer are pulled from the pack. These foxhunters kill 3 or 4 fox a season collectively. Members do not kill the fox rather an employee of the hunt does. To call one of these foxhunters "trashy" is inaccurate. Sounds like you know some other type of Foxhunters.