I'm glad I came along this thread. I'v got 2 870's, I'v got the Express magnum youth model which is still my favorite gun although I'v outgrown it. Just today I got my wingmaster from my father who is to ill to hunt and has been for the last couple of years. I went out and shot sum trap with my Wingmaster the only problem I had was it jammed once and thats because I through in a field load to see how it handled those and it wasnt use to such a big brass capping, plus it hadnt been shot in 6 years. I'm very pleased with both my 870's