Well I hunt zone 4, and we are starting to see more deer then we did in October, matter of fact this past saturday my friend got himself a 3 pointer. I saw 2 different bucks that day, and including his 3 pointer all 3 deer didnt have a swollen neck, or dark tarsal glads. Plus I've seen does, but to far for shots, and not one was being chased by bucks. My friends and I looked up out records from the past few years, and this time of year in the past we saw plenty of deer, and pleanty of chasing, its just so slow in zone 4