You can put me in the first category. Spent ALOT of time scouting and arrived at my 11,500' area to find it blanketed with hard and crunchy snow. Took an entire day to pack in, and I spent the rest of the season soaking wet crunching through the snow looking for elk. Saw alot of track, but the snow must have pushed them lower, did not see/hear a single animal during the first season.

The irony is, I went over to the 15 unit for the 2nd season for a salvation buck and the only thing I could find were bulls and cows. I had a 5x wander within 20 feet. I was so frustrated I had to get up and start yelling so he would go away and leave me to my misery...