i just use the Doinker , it seems to work great without the donut end , it is really nice in the stand cuz if u bump it on something it will jsut bend and not make a loud noise ...

it seems to take a good bit of vibration and noise off the bow too , i use to have jsut an old school stabalizers that folded out , it was like carrying a steel brick into the woods , my bow was so loud with it , but with all the new sims stuff and the doinker , THEY WONT HEAR IT COMING!