OK; what is Lehigh Valley and Ballistol? I think the latter is some kind of oil that is impossible to fine except at Brownells. Lehigh Valley stumps me. I have been using T/C #13 and after running a couple of hundred swabs of JB bore paste I can load some sabots sometimes. Harvester usually; Hornady never. I need to try the above as soon as I can figure it out.