bigcountry,
I gave up on 3 inchers years ago. Was not impressed with 3" groups and most kick like a freekin mule.

While field testing the 870 the 1st time I noticed the lighter loads always produced better groups. I don't remember brand, but I found some sabots on the other side of my plywood shooting board - Not Good! I checked to see where the Rem copper solids were dropping, and all 4 looked good and dropped at around 30 yrds tops. I'll be shooting out of 2-3 stands where shots could be 100-125 yrds. If these copper solids get the job done at that range I'm not switchin,touching or changing nuttin!