Nice info Billy, I never thought of doing that perticular rock trick.I'll keep that in mind. I'm hoping since the rut seems to be near it's peak, that they'll still be giddy come Late Buck....I think your right about the Honey hole part, I took a 5X3 that grossed 102 B/C in there along with another guy I know took a 5 point witha a big drop tine out of there...all within the last 5 years. I'm thinking there's three big bucks in there, there's just too much rubbing to be one deer, and the littler bucks won't even respond to any calls or rattling...which could mean that like a Jake turkey they won't even bother cuz all they get is another A$$ whoopin'