Thanx for the info. will look around aliitle further. did up a mock scape with the camera on it today. I would like to find a real scape or two. There is a hill next to me maybe he hangs up there with a better veiw for does . both times I have seen him last year he headed up the hill. coming from the thickett where I think he beds sometimes. I thought I was in his travel area ..between the thickett and the hill. Maybe it is time to get out of the tree and stalk my way through the thick stuff also.